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Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:23 am
by hoodedreeper
Hello,

I've got a '92 1.6 running a MP45 Supercharger. It recently stopped running,after changing the spark plugs,ignition leads,ignition coil,cam angle sensor and ignitor pack it still wouldn't run on all cylinders. Checked the injector pulse and found that injectors 2 and 4 were open. Opened up the ECU and found what looked like a driver had burnt out. So i changed the jumpers so it worked on Sequential firing and also moved the wire on the ECU harness.

It now won't run at all. I've done a spark test and each plug/lead sparks. I've also swapped back the CAS,aswell as moving the CAS to see if it changes. I've swapped the Fuel Inj relay too from my daily and still no change.

All the wires on the ECU and on the Coil/CAS look good,i've also cleaned up the earth next to the CAS. I could get it running before but now it cranks but it wont fire up.
Many Thanks
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​​Chris

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:35 am
by 93_Clubman
Sounds like you're running an aftermarket ECU - might prompt someone if you let us know what it is.

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:47 pm
by hoodedreeper
Apologies,yes i'm running a Megasquirt V2

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:31 am
by 93_Clubman
hoodedreeper wrote:Opened up the ECU and found what looked like a driver had burnt out. So i changed the jumpers so it worked on Sequential firing and also moved the wire on the ECU harness.
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Given the above in an MS V2 ECU it might be useful to also ask in the MS owners thread:
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=29665&start=465

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:32 pm
by ja9
Had exactly the same issue as you describe, however I'm running a different ecu. I also changed everything that I could think of and still nothing. Loaded a previous map which I kept from a couple of years ago and she fired up first go. It's happened a couple of times and I'm still yet to verify why it loses its map. I'm thinking it's a low battery issue. Have you let your car's battery drop in voltage recently?

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:43 am
by hoodedreeper
The battery did go flat,i charged it up and we thought it had gone again. So i purchased a new battery but still no change.

Today's update...

New Spark Plugs fitted
Intercooler Pipes refitted

Tried jump starting it with a power pack and off another car and still nothing.

Also tried a stock ECU and still nothing

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:16 am
by 93_Clubman
May be the timing belt has slipped & cam timing is now out?
Or is the car fitted with an immobiliser or kill switch that you know of?

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:27 am
by ja9
hoodedreeper wrote:The battery did go flat,i charged it up and we thought it had gone again. So i purchased a new battery but still no change.

Today's update...

New Spark Plugs fitted
Intercooler Pipes refitted

Tried jump starting it with a power pack and off another car and still nothing.

Also tried a stock ECU and still nothing


My car is heavily modified and I'd doubt a stock ECU would run it. I charged the battery and changed plugs and more and nothing happened until I reloaded my previous tune into the ECU. So you didn't save a copy of your last tune? Does the tuner who tuned your car last have a copy saved on their computer they could send you?

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:28 pm
by hoodedreeper
Small update...the ECU is now on its way to Reverant for him to have a look at it

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:15 am
by hoodedreeper
Abit of an update

Received the ECU back with the injector driver replaced and i've reconnected the wire on the ECU loom.

Battery charged back up again and still nothing.

The car will spark in the test mode via Tuner Studio but it won't spark while cranking.

I've got a replacement engine sourced,will be getting the swapped at some point as i think the current engine is knackered anyway

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:09 am
by speed
Have you checked or swapped out your coil pack?
I don't see any point in swapping the motor until you can get this one to fire up.
Maybe you should get the car towed to someone?

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Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:50 am
by 93_Clubman
hoodedreeper wrote:car will spark in the test mode via Tuner Studio but it won't spark while cranking.

Sounds like if you can identify what Tuner Studio test mode bypasses (when sparking), then you may have found the culprit.

Re: RE: Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:29 pm
by speed
93_Clubman wrote:
hoodedreeper wrote:car will spark in the test mode via Tuner Studio but it won't spark while cranking.

Sounds like if you can identify what Tuner Studio test mode bypasses (when sparking), then you may have found the culprit.

My bad. I thought that he bench tested the ecu rather than in the car.

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Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:46 am
by hoodedreeper
I'm only repeating what my friend said who has done everything tunerstudio related. The coil pack is off the daily driver,i can swap it back over again and give it a try

Re: Cranking but won't spark

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:49 am
by 93_Clubman
We're having to read between the lines a lot on this, so it's a bit difficult to tell where things are at exactly.
Clearly there was at least one issue with the ECU, which has been fixed, but was the ECU tested for other issues & fixed if any?
Additionally, while changing the following got the car running, but not on all cylinders, how certain are you of the serviceability of all the items, ie were they new or were they on a properly running car immediately prior to fitting to your car?
hoodedreeper wrote:It recently stopped running. After changing the spark plugs, ignition leads, ignition coil, cam angle sensor and ignitor pack it still wouldn't run on all cylinders.