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Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:59 pm
by Tony
I believe the OS Giken LSD from an AP1 Honda S2000 (p/n HA081-HA) fits straight into the SE.
While I'm assuming the same would be true for a Cusco Type MZ to suit the S2000 (p/n LSD 380 K15), I would like to check whether anyone here has actually fitted one up to an SE without any issues.
Many thanks in advance...
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:02 pm
by The American
FYI - there's a cusco LSD for sale to suit mx5 on my105.com
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:02 am
by Tony
Thanks, but not suitable for my application.
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:29 pm
by forcedfive
Hi Tony,
Cusco states different part numbers for the 2 cars so maybe no luck with them being interchangable.
NB8C Cusco MZ LSD 177 K15
S2000 Cusco MZ LSD 380 K15
Did you check the site I mentioned? Around $1050 AUD shipped at the moment for a MZ. I beleive the one I am running which I bought second hand is an RS so initial torque is lower and full locking is achieved earlier. We set it to a 1.5 way but it is able to be set as a 2 way.
Cheers
Verne
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:07 pm
by mx5002
I can't help in regards to which model fits which. But I have a cusco mz lsd in my car. I love it! I bought the unit 2nd hand from CT (forum member). He much be able to shed some light
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:22 pm
by Tony
Thanks for your replies.
SE has different drive shafts compared to the "run of the mill" NBs, so NB8C unit is no good to me.
I know OS Giken LSD from S2000 fits and works in SE (MSM) without any issues; it's what 949 Racing, Goodwin and FM recommend.
I just wanted to check there aren't any specific issues fitting and/or running Cusco's Type MZ S2000 unit as it doesn't seem to be discussed anywhere.
Thanks...
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:22 pm
by forcedfive
Hi Tony,
I wasn't aware the SE had different drive shafts.
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:04 pm
by Tony
It's my understanding that the OEM Torsen diff centre as supplied to Mazda for the SE and also to Honda for their AP1 S2000 are the same unit (with perhaps some minor differences in preload); but I'd be happy to be corrected if this understanding is incorrect!
Neither OS Giken or Cusco specifically mention the SE (or USDM Mazdaspeed Miata version) in their catalogues; they do however list a diff centre for the S2000. It's well known in the US that the S2000 OS Giken fits into the MSM without any issues, but there's no mention of how the Cusco version works (which I find curious).
Either no one does it because they all use the OSG, or no one does it because there's potentially a problem.
The OSG will cost around $1800 plus fitting, while the Cusco is around $1100 plus fitting. I have no doubt the OSG is the superior unit, however I'm on a really, really tight budget at present, so I'm inclined to go with the Cusco assuming there aren't any latent issues.
Of course I can always slap on a pair a standard NB drive shafts and go with the "normal" NB Cusco unit, but I'd rather rule out the S2000 option first.
Thanks...
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:34 pm
by Nevyn72
Try posting the question over on the Mazdaspeed forums in the US, there's a whole lot of experience over there as the majority of the MSM/SE's built were sold in the US!
http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:30 pm
by flycasta
Ill chexk and let you know later.
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:56 pm
by Tony
Good to hear from you Duane; thanks.
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:31 pm
by flycasta
Tony. The SE and S2000 factory Torsens are the same unit externally and as the gears sets are interchangeable I would think the LSD and any diff centre would be.
I have a S/hand RS Cusco and a S/hand Kaaz S2000 LSD as well as S2000 torsens as well. The stub axle length of the S2000 is basically the same as the NA/NB8 stub axle with slight difference where the circlip is machined. That would be due to the internal preload mechanisms of the NA/NB8 torsens. The overall height and boundary dimensions of the S2000 Cusco and Kaaz are the same as an NA/NB8 torsen, including offset of the flange the crown wheel bolts on to.
This for a new race car or the old race car with a turbo on it?
Cheers Duane
Re: Question re Cusco Type MZ LSD into SE
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:11 pm
by Tony
Duane,
PM sent; thanks.