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Postby davekmoore » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:09 pm

Not sure these objects are supposed to have fallen off the bottom of the motor into the undertray??!!

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Re: Whoops!

Postby NitroDann » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:29 pm

Is the rod in upside down?

I once raced an evo, and after the bottom half of one rod was in upside down, I know because I saw it.

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Re: Whoops!

Postby davekmoore » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:42 pm

If the rod's somewhat misplaced might it make a single big bang and cause long flames out of the front as you're rotating on a 1m x 50m self-created oil slick?
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Re: Whoops!

Postby NitroDann » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:45 pm

yeah, you are a mad ****!

Well done mate, you have to do it at least once or you arent a real enthusiast.

Remember when I didnt believe the power you make because how far you are pushing it?

yeah me too lol.

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Re: Whoops!

Postby manga_blue » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:09 pm

I thought that was meant to be a training day?

If it helps you feel better then the head on my car came off a turbo NA8 that did exactly the same thing and yet the head was undamaged. It's possible that all you'll need is a cheap worn out block and good crank that you can have built with rod and piston type goodies. Obviously it'll need to be stronger than the last one was. :roll:
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Postby NitroDann » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:12 pm

If its built please add a man sized turbo :mrgreen:

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Re: Whoops!

Postby davekmoore » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:43 pm

NitroDann wrote:yeah, you are a mad ****!

Thanks

NitroDann wrote:Well done mate, you have to do it at least once or you arent a real enthusiast.

Thanks

NitroDann wrote:Remember when I didnt believe the power you make because how far you are pushing it?

So now we know it was making enough power and/or with a bad enough tune and/or without a baffled sump to explode itself.

NitroDann wrote:yeah me too lol.

?

Frankly, at the moment, I might drop a second hand normally aspirated lump in it if this is going to be a more cost effective and reliable fix. It'd certainly help with brake and tyre wear! What do you reckon?
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Re: Whoops!

Postby NitroDann » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:48 pm

Yeah id just drop an NB8a in it and bolt it together (with all the SE gear obviosuly).

I imagine it probably wasnt detonation but your piston tops will tell you for sure.

Maybe go with a psi less boost haha.

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Re: Whoops!

Postby timk » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:40 pm

Try to find an early NA8 block and put your SE head on it, otherwise it will be missing oil and coolant feeds for the SE hard lines.

Is your "unobtainium" SE sump OK? Hopefully it and the MBSP are, otherwise you will have to do an oil drain like mine:

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Re: Whoops!

Postby 93_Clubman » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:52 am

Shrapnel! Hope the fix isn't too painful Dave.

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Re: Whoops!

Postby davekmoore » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:19 pm

timk wrote:Try to find an early NA8 block and put your SE head on it, otherwise it will be missing oil and coolant feeds for the SE hard lines.

Is your "unobtainium" SE sump OK? Hopefully it and the MBSP are, otherwise you will have to do an oil drain like mine:

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Judging by your pic the dark coloured piece of shrapnel would be part of the block and the silver one would be part of the sump. Spectators said the car was pinging badly on the straight before the corner where it let go although neither I nor my instructor could hear it. So watch this space for evidence of something like a piston seizing and a rod parting company with it and having a flail around. Here's hoping the head's ok at least.

No doubt there will now be heaps of advice on how to sort it out including on further advice on how to upgrade everything while I'm at it. There are three things I already know: 1. It needs a cleverer ECU than the Haltec along with some kind of effective knock sensor and 2) I can't affordany of it yet and 3) Yes, at 126,000kms I know there's no point not doing the (original, standard) clutch and then it might as well have a lightened flywheel, and then, and ............ Bring on your ideas!
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Re: Whoops!

Postby NitroDann » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:24 pm

The ecu is fine, just get a better tuner, or pay him for more time next time. Image

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Re: Whoops!

Postby deviant » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:29 pm

Please tell me the corflute radiator panel is okay?!?! :D

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Re: Whoops!

Postby davekmoore » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:15 pm

deviant wrote:Please tell me the corflute radiator panel is okay?!?! :D


Yup. The flames went out the front of the intercooler. Exactly what the corflute was designed to do!
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Re: Whoops!

Postby gslender » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:45 pm

Any of the ms2 or ms3 ECUs have CLT or IAT temp retard, which might have helped. I guess it depends on what you think caused it. Knock detection is a std feature too, so that's another that might have helped when det was too much!

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