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running too rich?

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:11 am
by atomic
How can you tell and how easy is it to adjust?

I'm just suspecting cos there's a really strong petrol smell, esp when the engine's just started and the economy seems poorer than usual.

Thx

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:33 am
by PUR157
One of the more obvious signs is the car spewing black smoke under hard acceleration

If your cars bum is covered in black soot very soon after a wash this is also a sign...

Sorry but this young 'un can't help you much more than that... :oops:

Re: running too rich?

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:43 am
by Sean
atomic wrote:How can you tell and how easy is it to adjust?

I'm just suspecting cos there's a really strong petrol smell, esp when the engine's just started and the economy seems poorer than usual.

Thx


It's not easily or readily adjustable. Although if it is running rich something will be casing it to be that way, get that fixed and your problem is solved!

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:57 am
by StanTheMan
but one way to do it....is Get your ECU Polarised. :lol:
or muck around with the spring in your AFM if your car is a NA6.....not possible on anything later

But both should be aproached with care & common sense. And like Sean suggested.....fix everything else first before you start mucking around with those bits.

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:51 am
by bruce
Sure you're not having a bit of petrol leak into the boot problem (to cause the fumes) ?

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:24 am
by JBT
Sounds more like a leak than rich running.

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:29 pm
by atomic
What are some of the things I should be \"fixing\" first?
(or checking to see if it needs fixing)

It's definitely not a fuel leakage.

Thx

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:39 pm
by StanTheMan
lets start with the type of Car you have

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:41 pm
by StanTheMan
what sort of economy are you getting
what type of driving are you doing.
eg short trip, long trips, city driving......so on.

first thing I get is when i'm reversing out.....is a whif of petrol. But its real cold atm & my trips are few & very short. Fuel econ is crap......but thats expected

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:57 pm
by Boags
Sounds like a bung O2 sensor to me. :D

Re:

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:23 pm
by atomic
StanTheMan wrote:lets start with the type of Car you have


Actually you've seen my car - yellow NA6, black rims....

StanTheMan wrote:what sort of economy are you getting
what type of driving are you doing.
eg short trip, long trips, city driving......so on.

first thing I get is when i'm reversing out.....is a whif of petrol. But its real cold atm & my trips are few & very short. Fuel econ is crap......but thats expected


just regular driving, 20+ min trips around syd suburbs, usually not too much traffic

Maybe it's normal then? No black marks around the exhaust/rear bumper but I definitely get a strong whiff of petrol.

I've just been noticing that I'm getting close to 10L/100km whereas before I used to get around 8L/100km...

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:31 pm
by manga_blue
Sounds very O2 sensor-ish to me. If it's 4-wire now just replace it, if it's a single wire then upgrade to 4-wire and it'll be much better from cold.

http://www.aus-cartalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=25609

http://mymiata.paladinmicro.com/Miata4-WireO2.htm

http://www.aus-cartalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=25688

... and maybe another 10 or 20 O2 sensor threads I have not seen as well.

Re: running too rich?

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:11 pm
by JBT
atomic wrote:......there's a really strong petrol smell, esp when the engine's just started and the economy seems poorer than usual.

You don't necessarily smell fuel when running rich. A "really strong petrol smell" is indicative of a leak.

What does the exhaust look like? Is it blowing plumes of black smoke?

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:22 pm
by atomic
not really.

Only when I really give it a decent caning... and even then, it's just a few times initially, then it clears up. I'm thinking that's more carbon build up?

I guess maybe it's O2 related then... ?

Definitely no leak in petrol

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:45 am
by SPy vs. SPy
check for an exhaust leak around the headers/exhaust before it gets to the O2 sensor, won't take much of a leak to cause chaos with fuel consumption.