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Hi guys,

Looks like the Mexicans have quietly opened entries for the Australian Supersprint Championships at Winton in April - they already have 60-odd entries for the event.

I just entered through the Meecamsau site. Classes are odd - the Vic classes use the standard 3D, 3J, 2B and 2F rules - so I'll have to cut my aero down a bit to comply with 2B rules.

Be quick if you're interested! Any other NSW folks heading down?

I was planning to Chris; but have decided to do Mount Panorama in December instead.

Wouldn't most regular road reg club sprint type cars get hosed by the Lotus entered?

A well dríven, well set up 2B Lotus would be quicker than my car. That said, I'm going anyway.

Supp Regs are here:
https://ymtwla.dm2304.livefilestore.com/y3mpCY4rOoOAqF-OOfs0sU9QPdKodL0xPo-shnBHHZeMxy3E1KG1GO6aT7uY2i6L8bici_XnlGaYZZYRtbrWjrhWDqIaSYSU3t5y112wi74AGEuwgv3lJwLfDtd-NBXUU32DeOOJwbt7q-3Kyxl28Z4f-Nt77UKcoBt9FbU9RAFO_E/230416_MSCA_and_Australian_Super_Sprint_Series_Regulations.pdf?psid=1

Vic State Supersprint technical regulations are here.
http://www.vssc.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2016-VSSC-Technical-Regulations.pdf

Bugger. Road reg cars have to have an OEM ECU. Bugger again.

Am I the only one who finds it hard to understand how we can have a genuine national championship when each state runs by its own rules?

Nope, its crazy. We have national type regs, the Australian competition should be run under those, and the parallel event can run under Hobson's rules for what anyone else cares.

One for the Supersprint Panel to pursue.

Don't get me started on the massive variety of different rules/classes/capacities/types used in motorsport around Australia. It would number in the thousands, I believe. It is insanity. I think organisers often want everyone to win a prize by giving everyone their own class. My local club always seems to be adding classes, but never subtracting any. And some classes never have any competitors, yet they remain.

Even NSW state supersprints do this, e.g. recent addition of Type 6. This just waters down the numbers in other Types, due to field numbers being limited. Such a shame. For a 100 car field, there are 7x4 classes, therefore less than 4 cars per class on average. May as well be a called a track day. When I started in NSWSS there were 16 competitors in my class (2A). Now we are lucky to get 4, and 2 or 3 is more usual.

StillIC wrote:Even NSW state supersprints do this, e.g. recent addition of Type 6. This just waters down the numbers in other Types, due to field numbers being limited. Such a shame. For a 100 car field, there are 7x4 classes, therefore less than 4 cars per class on average. May as well be a called a track day. When I started in NSWSS there were 16 competitors in my class (2A). Now we are lucky to get 4, and 2 or 3 is more usual.

Yes. I wonder why?

I am sure that it would not have anything to do with our aggressive point-hunting class picking. (irony/off)

As you probably appreciate, a number of us have gone class-shopping, to maximise the club's pointscore. This takes a competitor from say 2B to SVB, and points for say 2nd instead of 5th. While this does not explain all of the difference, it would be part of it.

I have no problem with clubs having their own classes, even for inter-club competitions. But when you get to State-level competitions, the classes should be national or very close variation of national (ie, CAMS handbook), and at national level, strictly CAMS classes.

The practical issue is that the organising club for the nationals wants as many entries as it can get, and therefore the local classes 'must' be allowed. Again, that is OK, provided they run separately as a competition in a competition (eg State round and national title), and the national titles are awarded for national (CAMS) classes. If that happened, it might force a convergence over time at the State level.

I think the addition of Type 6 to NSW State SuperSprint was a good move as it opened it up to the growing number of Time Attack cars which wouldn't have fitted easily into the existing Type structure.

Black_Penguin wrote:I think the addition of Type 6 to NSW State SuperSprint was a good move as it opened it up to the growing number of Time Attack cars which wouldn't have fitted easily into the existing Type structure.

It may have opened it up, but they are yet to show up in any significant numbers.

Personally I think just running CAMS classes is too restrictive and will reduce competitor numbers. There are far too many classes with not enough catering for modified vehicles. It benefits thoroughbred race cars and discourges any new ideas and inovation as well as newcomers.

I think classing should be reduced and simplified so that you get more competitors per class rather than the reverse. I believe CAMS is current looking at setting up new National classings with this in mind. Hopefully they'll get it right.

The other problem with classes is they often reward the person with the biggest budget.
Often, things permitted in a class such as custom/built motors, aftermarket gearboxes and computers etc, are very costly and require specialists to supply/install/setup.

Meanwhile, things that the average Joe CAN do at home, are not permitted... or if they are permitted, put the car straight into a very high class.

beavis wrote:The other problem with classes is they often reward the person with the biggest budget.
Often, things permitted in a class such as custom/built motors, aftermarket gearboxes and computers etc, are very costly and require specialists to supply/install/setup.

Meanwhile, things that the average Joe CAN do at home, are not permitted... or if they are permitted, put the car straight into a very high class.

To look at it from the other side, maybe the mods you can do in your garage I don't have the skills to do myself and it would be unfair to me letting you do them.

Are these average Joe mods mainly Aero mods like splitters and wings?

The benefit of classes is you can stay away from people with the big budgets if you want to and you need to choose a class to compete in which suits your budget.

There are a bunch of things I wanted to do last year in 2B I couldn't do because of the regs (brakes, carbon hardtop, wing, diff etc..) and it sucks but they need to draw a line somewhere.

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Dan wrote:To look at it from the other side, maybe the mods you can do in your garage I don't have the skills to do myself and it would be unfair to me letting you do them.

The benefit of classes is you can stay away from people with the big budgets if you want to and you need to choose a class to compete in which suits your budget.

There are a bunch of things I wanted to do last year in 2B I couldn't do because of the regs (brakes, carbon hardtop, wing, diff etc..) and it sucks but they need to draw a line somewhere.

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I do get what you are saying but then an mx5 gets hosed is std type classes by things that are faster off the showroom floor.