Track Cameras - Real World opinions
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Track Cameras - Real World opinions
This thread is intended to be a discussion of track cameras, preferably from those who already have one so that real-world experience is available, as an aid in helping others decide which camera is best for them. Please include all good and bad points about the camera.
The two big players in the industry are GoPro and Contour but any other vendor alternatives should be included too for comparison purposes.
Here's my $0.02 worth of input on the ContourGPS (http://contour.com/products/contour-gps) and why I bought it:
I've always been impressed with the video footage from the GoPro cameras but the wind noise was unacceptable when driving topless so I held off buying one.
The new GoPro Hero 2 has an external microphone which should help eliminate/minimise wind noise and I was all set to buy one when someone pointed out that Contour has a couple of cameras with in-built GPS.
A camera with in-built GPS is exactly what's needed to record track video and the "Dashware" track software (cheap at US$50) can display this as an overlay on the video so I decided to buy the Contour GPS model - the Contour+ model was $200 more expensive.
Initial impressions:
This is a tiny, quality-built camera, no cheap-plastic bits that look like they'll break off at any instant.
The first thing I did with my camera was to update the firmware since it came wth 1.09 and the latest firmware is 1.18 so there have been a lot of changes. This was a 2-stage firware update since it first had to be updated to 2.13, then to 2.18 - the Contour "Storyteller" application automatically selected 1.13 for me but I updated 2.18 manually. The Contour site provides good instructions on how to do firmware upgrades.
The next step was setting up my Android phone to use the free Contour app. This application allows the camera settings to be configured via Bluetooth and can display camera footage at 1Hz (Bluetooth is too slow for streaming video) which is useful to align the camera. The camera has two laser sights that can be used to align it but it's much easier to do it via the phone. Unfortunately you cannot view video while the camera is recording.
The default day-time camera settings were supposed to be OK so I left them alone.
The camera has two modes which are configurable (you can record at 1080p, 720p 60Hz/50Hz/30Hz/25Hz, or take time-delayed snapshots) and can be toggled beween via a button on the rear of the camera. This button, like the USB port, is hidden behind the rear cover.
I borrowed a friend's suction-cup mount while I waited for my roll-bar mount to arrive.
Video quality is excellent as you'd expect these days.
Wind noise is still an issue - when I had the suction cup mounted to a flat portion of the roll bar you could still hear wind noise but you could also hear the engine and what I had playing on the stereo (old-school hard rock, none of that techno/rap crap).
The Contour GPS microphone sits below the lens and picks up all ambient noise.
When I mounted the camera on the windscreen there was NO audio at all - lots of camera shake though.
If I used the camera as a cam-corder and narrated what I was shooting you couldn't hear that either - it seems like the microphone would be best placed somewhere inside the cabin, well behind the dashboard to pick up engine noise.
Here are the major differences between the next model up, the Contour+, and my ContourGPS:
- Laser Alignment (no laser alignment on the Contour+)
+ iPhone Connect View Card included (not needed for Bluetooth connectivity with Android phones)
+ Mini HDMI port
+ Live streaming via Mini HDMI
+ External Microphone Jack
+ 170* Viewing Angle (vs 135* for ContourGPS)
+ 270* Lens Rotation (vs 180* for ContourGPS)
+ 4Hz GPS Update Rate (vs 2Hz for ContourGPS)
If you have an iPhone, the Contour+ is the better package since it includes the Connect View Card needed for Bluetooth connecticity. This is not needed for Android phones.
The higher GPS rate on the Contour+ is useful for more accurate track plots. Some people have modified their camera's configuration files to record at 4Hz but it's not recommended by Contour as it leads to GPS inaccuracies.
The viewing angle I'm not fussed about, 135* is fine for a track video given that I won't be involved in any door-door racing.
The external microphone jack is definitely required to eliminate wind noise when driving topless.
It seems that my big gripe with the original GoPro cameras, wind noise, is also a problem with my ContourGPS and in hindsight maybe I should have forked out the extra $200 for the Contour+
The two big players in the industry are GoPro and Contour but any other vendor alternatives should be included too for comparison purposes.
Here's my $0.02 worth of input on the ContourGPS (http://contour.com/products/contour-gps) and why I bought it:
I've always been impressed with the video footage from the GoPro cameras but the wind noise was unacceptable when driving topless so I held off buying one.
The new GoPro Hero 2 has an external microphone which should help eliminate/minimise wind noise and I was all set to buy one when someone pointed out that Contour has a couple of cameras with in-built GPS.
A camera with in-built GPS is exactly what's needed to record track video and the "Dashware" track software (cheap at US$50) can display this as an overlay on the video so I decided to buy the Contour GPS model - the Contour+ model was $200 more expensive.
Initial impressions:
This is a tiny, quality-built camera, no cheap-plastic bits that look like they'll break off at any instant.
The first thing I did with my camera was to update the firmware since it came wth 1.09 and the latest firmware is 1.18 so there have been a lot of changes. This was a 2-stage firware update since it first had to be updated to 2.13, then to 2.18 - the Contour "Storyteller" application automatically selected 1.13 for me but I updated 2.18 manually. The Contour site provides good instructions on how to do firmware upgrades.
The next step was setting up my Android phone to use the free Contour app. This application allows the camera settings to be configured via Bluetooth and can display camera footage at 1Hz (Bluetooth is too slow for streaming video) which is useful to align the camera. The camera has two laser sights that can be used to align it but it's much easier to do it via the phone. Unfortunately you cannot view video while the camera is recording.
The default day-time camera settings were supposed to be OK so I left them alone.
The camera has two modes which are configurable (you can record at 1080p, 720p 60Hz/50Hz/30Hz/25Hz, or take time-delayed snapshots) and can be toggled beween via a button on the rear of the camera. This button, like the USB port, is hidden behind the rear cover.
I borrowed a friend's suction-cup mount while I waited for my roll-bar mount to arrive.
Video quality is excellent as you'd expect these days.
Wind noise is still an issue - when I had the suction cup mounted to a flat portion of the roll bar you could still hear wind noise but you could also hear the engine and what I had playing on the stereo (old-school hard rock, none of that techno/rap crap).
The Contour GPS microphone sits below the lens and picks up all ambient noise.
When I mounted the camera on the windscreen there was NO audio at all - lots of camera shake though.
If I used the camera as a cam-corder and narrated what I was shooting you couldn't hear that either - it seems like the microphone would be best placed somewhere inside the cabin, well behind the dashboard to pick up engine noise.
Here are the major differences between the next model up, the Contour+, and my ContourGPS:
- Laser Alignment (no laser alignment on the Contour+)
+ iPhone Connect View Card included (not needed for Bluetooth connectivity with Android phones)
+ Mini HDMI port
+ Live streaming via Mini HDMI
+ External Microphone Jack
+ 170* Viewing Angle (vs 135* for ContourGPS)
+ 270* Lens Rotation (vs 180* for ContourGPS)
+ 4Hz GPS Update Rate (vs 2Hz for ContourGPS)
If you have an iPhone, the Contour+ is the better package since it includes the Connect View Card needed for Bluetooth connecticity. This is not needed for Android phones.
The higher GPS rate on the Contour+ is useful for more accurate track plots. Some people have modified their camera's configuration files to record at 4Hz but it's not recommended by Contour as it leads to GPS inaccuracies.
The viewing angle I'm not fussed about, 135* is fine for a track video given that I won't be involved in any door-door racing.
The external microphone jack is definitely required to eliminate wind noise when driving topless.
It seems that my big gripe with the original GoPro cameras, wind noise, is also a problem with my ContourGPS and in hindsight maybe I should have forked out the extra $200 for the Contour+
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I can also confirm that the GPS function of the Contour Plus works with a hard top on and the camera mounted to the diagonal on a MX5 Plus roll bar.
Another plus is the size of the switch to turn it on and off, very easy with gloves. Also, it can have 2 bluetooth connections running at the same time (one to the Contour plau and say one to a handsfree).
The bluetooth to an iPhone can be a bit mystical, however I have found that having the iPhone reconnect to it (through the system menu) before starting the app works every time now. Also, you can edit the camera settings through the bluetooth.
The only problem I have found is that when I swapped the lens covers for one that has a filter thread I could nout get the plastic lens protector back in. However as it will never be going underater I don't have any issues. The filter adapter allows polarisers and other filters to be used.
Yes I have the contour plus, sticky mount and roll bar mount
Another plus is the size of the switch to turn it on and off, very easy with gloves. Also, it can have 2 bluetooth connections running at the same time (one to the Contour plau and say one to a handsfree).
The bluetooth to an iPhone can be a bit mystical, however I have found that having the iPhone reconnect to it (through the system menu) before starting the app works every time now. Also, you can edit the camera settings through the bluetooth.
The only problem I have found is that when I swapped the lens covers for one that has a filter thread I could nout get the plastic lens protector back in. However as it will never be going underater I don't have any issues. The filter adapter allows polarisers and other filters to be used.
Yes I have the contour plus, sticky mount and roll bar mount
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I dont have a great deal to add at the moment but I think I am going to go with the latest GoPro with the wireless backpack.
You can use your phone to aim the camera and (a big selling point to me) it has a remote to turn the camera on and off and to start / stop recording, perfect for if you use a harness and can not physically turn around to fiddle with the camera. It also has the external mic but I believe that with a mic plugged in it will not turn off the internal mic so you still need to plug up the mic hole.
If I decide to get a bit more serious I will use Qstarz GPS to get data and Dashware to overlay.
You can use your phone to aim the camera and (a big selling point to me) it has a remote to turn the camera on and off and to start / stop recording, perfect for if you use a harness and can not physically turn around to fiddle with the camera. It also has the external mic but I believe that with a mic plugged in it will not turn off the internal mic so you still need to plug up the mic hole.
If I decide to get a bit more serious I will use Qstarz GPS to get data and Dashware to overlay.
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Go karts are an extreme test of a Camera.
My GoPro Hero 2 has survived two serious impacts with the track (owing on one occasion to poor mounting, and on another occasion to on-track contact).
Yet, the picture quality is awesome. Here is a sample (with quality reduced for uploading on to YouTube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30I3VcGhTOI
My GoPro Hero 2 has survived two serious impacts with the track (owing on one occasion to poor mounting, and on another occasion to on-track contact).
Yet, the picture quality is awesome. Here is a sample (with quality reduced for uploading on to YouTube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30I3VcGhTOI
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There are some funny videos on youtube of people losing GoPro cameras and them surviving some pretty serious impacts....like skydivers losing them from 10,000 feet
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The quality of the karting Go pro 2 looks pretty decent
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Old Dude wrote:The quality of the karting Go pro 2 looks pretty decent
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I've downsampled that youtube clip by about 85% quality to upload on to youtube. The raw video is crystal clear on a 50" 1080p plasma TV.
That was originally recorded at 960p, 60fps and 170 degree field of view.
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Been pretty happy with the GoPro Hero2, it suffers from rolling shutter when I get over 150km's, maybe I need to shorten the arm on the roll bar mount to reduce the wobble. I really like the wide lens, I always have the roof on so you get a lot of track in the shot with 170deg. I've found the sound on the GoPro to be pretty good with closed housing even when I've suction cupped it to the side of the car.
I use Harrys Lap Timer Pro on the iPhone to do the data logging, with the inbuilt GPS it's accurate to within a 10th of a sec of my Dorian times which is more than accurate enough for me.
http://youtu.be/6VsOM65s2_w
I use Harrys Lap Timer Pro on the iPhone to do the data logging, with the inbuilt GPS it's accurate to within a 10th of a sec of my Dorian times which is more than accurate enough for me.
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This is me and a GoPro2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ6nsmDf_OU&hd=1
This isn't me but it's my 5Dmk2:
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by the way chris, that sh*t was sick!
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NitroDann wrote:by the way chris, that sh*t was sick!
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I thank you sir - frustrating getting bumped onto the infield at the start like that, but had a ball coming through the field
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I enjoyed my pnly wakefield day so far in group 4 of 6 just carving through the field, feels good. Cheating, cos myself and the car is much quicker but good none the less.
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This looks alright:
http://www.techmoan.com/blog/2012/7/5/a ... t-cam.html
It's worth subscribing to Techmoan's feed to keep up to date with cheap cameras.
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Thanks Lokiel, this is a good thread.
I'm checking out the contour this weekend.
I'm checking out the contour this weekend.
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Kev05 if you can wait till Aug 5 I can let you have a play with my Contour Plus.
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