Rollcages & Other Tarmac Rally Questions

daffyflyer · Postby **daffyflyer** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:19 pm

Id like to do this http://www.mountainmotorsports.com.au/ - in the MX one year.

Only id like to know if it needs a full cage - all it says is refer to the AASA regulations... and the ones on the AASA website don't mention it..

MrsB · Postby **MrsB** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:22 pm

IBelieve me from experience when things go wrong in tarmac rally it hurts. We flipped end on end twice and rolled about 4 times.

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This is the cage in our new build.

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My advise - You Need a Full Cage

All that said Tarmac Rally is fantastic fun! Good luck and enjoy

Guran · Postby **Guran** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:42 pm

Maybe this is what you need ...

CAMS Manual - General Requirements for Cars and Drivers - Schedule J - Safety Cage Structures / Drawings

daffyflyer · Postby **daffyflyer** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:48 pm

Guran wrote:Maybe this is what you need ...

CAMS Manual - General Requirements for Cars and Drivers - Schedule J - Safety Cage Structures / Drawings

Im sure that would cover it, but as far as i know AASA regulations aren't the same as CAMS :S

SKYHI · Postby **SKYHI** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:18 pm

Here are the "Vehicle & Apparel Requirements" for QR and Lakeside which run under the AASA banner:

http://www.qldraceways.com.au/Administr ... pparel.pdf

It basically states that the "minimum roll over protection must meet AS/NZ standards AS 1636.1-1996"

I know there are guys running half cages, but I've always had a full cage and wouldn't feel real comfortable racing in anything that didn't. It may cost a bit more and add some weight to the car but how much is your life worth?

daffyflyer · Postby **daffyflyer** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:38 pm

Ok sounds like a full cage is the go.

Is there such a thing as a removable cage? (i thought most welded in)

I don't mind if its a few hours job to remove it, but i want to be able to revert it to a road car after ive done a tarmac rallysprint in it..

SKYHI · Postby **SKYHI** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:43 pm

daffyflyer wrote:Ok sounds like a full cage is the go.

Is there such a thing as a removable cage? (i thought most welded in)

I don't mind if its a few hours job to remove it, but i want to be able to revert it to a road car after ive done a tarmac rallysprint in it..

Yep, my first race car had a Bond six point bolt in cage. Not sure if they'd make one for an MX5 but it would be worth asking.

http://www.bondrollbars.com/

Cal · Postby **Cal** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:22 pm

TCR wrote:I know there are guys running half cages, but I've always had a full cage and wouldn't feel real comfortable racing in anything that didn't. It may cost a bit more and add some weight to the car but how much is your life worth?

Soft...the silver turbo has a Brown Davis 1/2 cage and no side intrusion bars. :shock:

Jeo · Postby **Jeo** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:26 pm

Certainly are bolt in full cages.

SKYHI · Postby **SKYHI** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:31 pm

Cal wrote:
TCR wrote:I know there are guys running half cages, but I've always had a full cage and wouldn't feel real comfortable racing in anything that didn't. It may cost a bit more and add some weight to the car but how much is your life worth?

Soft...the silver turbo has a Brown Davis 1/2 cage and no side intrusion bars.

I didn't say I wouldn't race one, just that I'd feel a bit uncomfortable. When do I get a drive?

Cal · Postby **Cal** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:41 pm

Seriously I hated it when I thought about it. Thankfully it has a full cage being fitted at the moment for Oran Park and Phillip Island.

daffyflyer · Postby **daffyflyer** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:07 pm

Ok might contact bond then and see what they can do.

Thinking of getting going with some club level motorsport with the intention of doing some tamac rally stuff in a year or two (like the mt buller sprint i linked to) - The missus even wants to Nav for me

Boags · Postby **Boags** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:06 pm

Cal wrote:
TCR wrote:I know there are guys running half cages, but I've always had a full cage and wouldn't feel real comfortable racing in anything that didn't. It may cost a bit more and add some weight to the car but how much is your life worth?

Soft...the silver turbo has a Brown Davis 1/2 cage and no side intrusion bars.

MrsB · Postby **MrsB** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:00 pm

Cal wrote:
TCR wrote:I know there are guys running half cages, but I've always had a full cage and wouldn't feel real comfortable racing in anything that didn't. It may cost a bit more and add some weight to the car but how much is your life worth?

Soft...the silver turbo has a Brown Davis 1/2 cage and no side intrusion bars.

I doubt I'd be here today posting photos of my crashed car if I had'nt had a decent full cage in a tarmac rally. It bent in that crash but it did its job once and saved my life. Unlike on the track where it's relatively safe and predictable there are trees, power poles, culverts, embankments and the list goes on. You dont plan to crash but if you do you want to be covered. I never ever thought this could happen to us. Buy the best cage + any other safety gear you can afford because as per above your life is worth it. :frown: