I think I saw a turbo in the ND

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:05 pm

Not sure have you guys seen this before, but I just accidentally found this article, it was posted in March, some of you might see this before.

http://jalopnik.com/step-inside-the-ugl ... 1571275617

Odd · Postby **Odd** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:20 pm

Could it have a diesel?

I also have a mazda6....almost bought the diesel, the one I drove got along very well!!

http://www.mazda-news.eu/2014/06/11/nex ... an-diesel/

Regie · Postby **Regie** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:54 pm

Old news

I reckon that will be the platform for the Fiat version, The MX5 will get a 2l NA motor

Odd · Postby **Odd** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:22 pm

From Mazda site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C9OLDIRLeI

Could the cartoon showing a sky active diesel in a open car be a hint???

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:48 pm

I prefer no turbo, otherwise it will destroy thr responsive of this car

And if I want turbo, I believe after market is better than factory turbo.

Odd · Postby **Odd** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:00 pm

what about a turbo diesel....lots of torque= acceleration

Dan · Postby **Dan** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:27 pm

tescoking wrote:I prefer no turbo, otherwise it will destroy thr responsive of this car
And if I want turbo, I believe after market is better than factory turbo.

Turbo is less responsive??

I'll be unhappy with a turbo if they put a tiny engine in it and ruin the top end. Would be cool though if they released a base model 2L and then a 2L Turbo or a 2.5L 'SP25'.

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:31 pm

2.2 turbo diesel auto with paddles for me then please. And an LSD to help with all that lovely torque.

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:38 pm

Isn't it diesel has less fun? Also not many people know how to service and fix

deviant · Postby **deviant** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:04 am

Nah. Diesels are no more scary than any other modern engine.

I would be very happy with something 1.6-2.0 and turbocharged. The latest generation turbo cars are really something else...small capacity engines that through a process of black magic and voodoo make the power and torque that 2.0 engines used to make but with half the fuel consumption. There is no good reason for the new MX5 to be anything less than a 1.5l turbo engine with 150KW, 230NM and capable of 7000RPM with power and torque spread from 1800RPM.

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:34 am

tescoking wrote:Isn't it diesel has less fun? Also not many people know how to service and fix

Come and test drive a Mazda 6 or CX5 2.2L diesel back to back with a 2.5L petrol.
And note that nearly every manufacturer has at least one diesel motor now, in addition to all the commercial applications out there, so there are no servicing issues.

rjastra2 · Postby **rjastra2** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:19 am

davekmoore wrote:
tescoking wrote:Isn't it diesel has less fun? Also not many people know how to service and fix

Come and test drive a Mazda 6 or CX5 2.2L diesel back to back with a 2.5L petrol.
And note that nearly every manufacturer has at least one diesel motor now, in addition to all the commercial applications out there, so there are no servicing issues.

Why compare a normally aspirated 2.5L petrol to a turbo diesel? .... and a 10% larger than the class standard (2L TDI) at that.
Go check the difference in weight between the 2.5L Mazda 6 and the turbo diesel. Thats the extra weight a MX5 diesel would carry around

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:50 pm

rjastra2 wrote:
davekmoore wrote:
tescoking wrote:Isn't it diesel has less fun? Also not many people know how to service and fix

Come and test drive a Mazda 6 or CX5 2.2L diesel back to back with a 2.5L petrol.
And note that nearly every manufacturer has at least one diesel motor now, in addition to all the commercial applications out there, so there are no servicing issues.

Why compare a normally aspirated 2.5L petrol to a turbo diesel? .... and a 10% larger than the class standard (2L TDI) at that.
Go check the difference in weight between the 2.5L Mazda 6 and the turbo diesel. Thats the extra weight a MX5 diesel would carry around

Because facts, correctly presented and in context, help further constructive debate.

Some examples here:

Diesel weighs 70kg more.

2.5L petrol 250 Nm @ 3,250 rpm. 2.2L diesel 420 Nm @ 2,000 rpm. Diesel has 68% more torque at 60% of the revs.
2.5L petrol 138 kW @ 5,700 rpm. 2.2L diesel 129 kW @ 4,500 rpm. Diesel has 93% of the power at 79% of the revs.

I make the 2.5L petrol and 2.2L diesel comparison because it's the only possible petrol/diesel one within the Mazda range.

TTT · Postby **TTT** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:39 pm

Diesel in an mx5? Have you people lost your minds?
Mx5 isn't about torque or fuel consumption or power at low revs...

The sound and revs and driving experience is what the car is about.

I've got a cx5 td for my daily.
Yes it is more comfy and uses less fuel than my na6.
But that is not what an mx5 is about.

Td engines are horribly agricultural things.
Would ruin the enjoyment that a somewhat revvy light mx5 brings.

Someone mentioned responsiveness of an NA engine over turbo... I assume that should have said throttle response... And I totally agree.
Sure no power but also no lag. Each mm of throttle movement equals engine response.