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Brave new motoring?

Postby manga_blue » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:01 am

Sometimes I feel that in 20 years times we'll look back on things today and think that these were the last days of the golden age of motorist freedom. I can genuinely see a situation in the near future where we'll get an automated statement in the mail listing all our offences together with a request to destroy our licences.

The first bit comes from a report in UK's The Telegraph about Intelligent Speed Adaptation being proposed by the European Commission’s Mobility and Transport Department:
All cars could be fitted with devices that stop them going over 70mph, under new EU road safety measures which aim to cut deaths from road accidents by a third.
Under the proposals new cars would be fitted with cameras that could read road speed limit signs and automatically apply the brakes when this is exceeded.

Next there's active disacussion in Australia abut the value of black boxes.
If every driver complied with the letter of the road law, the streets would be far safer places. One way to do that would be to make a ‘black box’ recorder mandatory in every vehicle.
If it were mandatory for every vehicle to be fitted with a ‘black box’, a range of key vehicle behaviours like speed, acceleration and location could be measured and either stored in-vehicle or transmitted to a central repository. (1)

Data could be gathered by sensors connected to the car’s key mechanical and electronic points and by cameras recording the external environment. In turn, vehicles could receive data from local or centralised transmitters.

This isn’t complex stuff in a technological sense. Cars have been operating with on-board computers fed by an array of sensors for decades and an increasing number of new vehicles come with cameras. Transponder and GPS technologies are well developed and some trucks already carry rudimentary black boxes.

At its simplest, the black box would record how well a vehicle conforms to the road rules and provide the driver with real-time feedback. It would be a considerably more powerful however if that information were uploaded to a central database.

It could then be used to enforce compliance with straightforward road rules like speed limits and traffic signals. In the event of a serious incident, data from the vehicle’s cameras and other sensors could be used to investigate the event and possibly provide the basis for police or legal action.

The near-certainty of detection would give drivers a powerful incentive to conform to the law at all times. This in turn should make roads safer for pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers. It should improve the amenity of roadside uses by reducing negatives such as (measurable) vehicle noise.

Since data on a vehicle’s travel behaviour would be recorded, it’s certain there’d be concerns about loss of privacy. That would likely be exacerbated if fingerprint or facial recognition technology were mandatory for drivers.


Then there's sailaholic talking about the presence of systems like this already in operation in Australia.
Not directly by my company, but our client. Semi Industry wide though and yes they will know all vehicles are GPS monitored (including individual keys per driver) with live reporting via 3G or satellite with geo-fenced areas controlling allowable speed zones.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/10278702/EU-plans-to-fit-all-cars-with-speed-limiters.html
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/09/04/would-a-black-box-make-the-streets-safer/
http://mx5cartalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=59427&hilit=duty
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby JBT » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:14 am

You can be assured it will happen and probably sooner than we'd like to think. There is much less enjoyment in driving on the roads than just a decade ago with dumbed down speed limits and terrible driving standards. Probably why track days are becoming more and more popular.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby NitroDann » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:50 am

manga_blue wrote:Sometimes I feel that in 20 years times we'll look back on things today and think that these were the last days of the golden age of motorist freedom.


Ok, so I got to the end of this sentence, and I quoted this immediately without reading further.

Because I have been saying this for a couple of years now.

Last newcastle meetup I suggested that road cars as race cars will not exist when I am retired because road cars that have steering wheels wont exist.

Im going to go back and read the post now...


Ok, Ive read it.

Ill ride an unregistered litre bike daily and go to jail before they wont let me drive my own car without big brother using a black box and sensationalised media demonizing me to justify their filthy tactics. If this isn't Orwells nightmare, and if people really believe that their gov't can be voted out and should even HAVE this much power they are insane.

It's like believing in Santa clause, Except you WANT him to control everything in your life through militarized police forces.

Look at America, we aren't far behind.

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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby Magpie » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:12 pm

My last job in WA BHP introduced vehicle monitoring and whilst there was at first an over-reaction/complaints from people about big brother once it became a condition of employment all resistance ceased. The vehicles provided could also be used for limited personal use, however it was up to the person responsible for the vehicle to manage ‘personal’ use. Once tracking was enabled personal use could be monitored so people’s reasons for not wanting it was more personal than work related.

Did it reduce accidents well the jury is out but fuel usage certainly did go down as did service costs.

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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby Okibi » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:54 pm

These were obviously written by governments and not engineers.

Their perspective is that speed is evil and it kills everyone on our roads.

Speed can sure amplify the damage but will these black boxes catch people who drive illegally slow? who can't keep left? who drink drive? who can't merge? who drive when too tired? monitor road conditions and report dangerous roads of signage?

If we trust too much in the technology then we are less observant and accident rates might increase.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby NitroDann » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:16 pm

Okibi wrote:...governments...
Their perspective is that speed is evil and it kills everyone on our roads.

I do not believe this at all

If we trust too much in the technology then we are less observant and accident rates might increase.

Actually crash rates never change, cars are dangerous, people adjust their behaviour to suit their level of comfort with crashing, cars get safer people change their behaviour again. Crash rates have never changed much ever.


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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby Rocky » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:41 pm

When faced with a problem or challenge, governments will always seek the easiest, cheapest, and least resistant solution.
Note I didn't mention anything about effectiveness or efficiency, realistic or common sense.

Limiting individual freedom is always a nice simple straightforward solution rather than more complex solutions that maintain freedom whilst still addressing the problem.

The only solution I can envisage is powerful special-interest lobby groups (I hesitate to mention the American Rifle Association) who do what the various State motorist associations should be doing (or would be doing if we weren't all so apathetic)

The presence of the AMEP in the Senate is an interesting development. Now, if we had some 'friends' in the House of Reps to get the bills up and running maybe we could influence the future.

Unfortunately our own apathy will be our undoing as the general public don't give a rats about driving (you only have to see how they do it) and will happily allow governments to introduce increasingly restrictive laws until a race track will be the only place you will want to drive.

The "Golden Age of Driving" ended decades ago.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby deviant » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:00 pm

Unless cars become a computer controlled and run on fixed rails on the road at 20kmh there will never be zero road deaths...even then someone will still try something silly or a pedestrian will get killed.

To try and hit that target will do nothing but criminalise those that are not doing anything dangerous and massively impact on the freedom of the masses.

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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby 93_Clubman » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:10 pm

Rocky wrote:The "Golden Age of Driving" ended decades ago.

Yeah, but after, & not beofre the MX5 was introduced! :mrgreen:

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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby manga_blue » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:28 pm

Rocky wrote:The "Golden Age of Driving" ended decades ago.
I think the ways things have tightened up over the last 10 years is a drop in the bucket compared to what we'll see in the next 20.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby davekmoore » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:53 pm

NitroDann wrote:It's like believing in Santa clause, Except you WANT him to control everything in your life through militarized police forces.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby Okibi » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:57 pm

Wait until the Police triangulate mobile phones to see who's travelling about the limit and notify the nearest Police car.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby NitroDann » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:05 pm

Wait until we are all assigned barcodes.
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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby deviant » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:30 pm

Somebody already tried something similar...didnt go to well, though it won't stop people letting it happen again.

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Re: Brave new motoring?

Postby NitroDann » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:36 pm

It's such a shame that some topics are simply out of bounds.

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