Fake(?) yellow sticker

[D.A.M]

Funny thing about the law..if it was your property they were breaking into Dan and you injured the theives...theres chances they could sue you... preeeeetty lame hey

[wun911]

Wun, your Asianness never ceases to amaze me.

Having your car at 100mm clearance is one thing, but the car is meant to have some ballast in it, either passenger or driver, and still clear 100mm.

Early last year i had mine at just on 100mm but not loaded. I was pulled up and my flatmate with the car. I was parked one wheel in the gutter and one onthe road. There was a crest an that had area of the road is where the cop measured me. My car was heaps lower at that point. I pointed out the road wasnt level nor flat, the cop pointed out it shouldnt matter. My mate didnt get out of the car despite my eyeing him to get out.. (100kg of ballast will make a decent difference in road clearance!)

I didnt antagonise the cop, and he went over my exhaust setup, my inlet tweaks, windscreen washer bottle water level, tyre size, tread etc.. He asked why i'd done the exhaust and inlets as they should be fine from the factory... i said to improve fuel economy, that the car's gutless and more for handling then power, so i'd aim to get more mileage. He was noticably less agressive after that. I was polite then i rattled off my facts and figures of my mileage improvements, and he turned his tone down a lot more. Quietly written his defect notice, a few days to correct the issues, said to be safe and left.
...

This is exactly what I mean here is a man who is intelligent, and well spoken, a polite individual with sense of respect and social etiquette he still got a fine....

It isn't even his own fault, FFG would weigh in excess of 280 kg, even with the stiffer 7kg springs that would lower the car by 10mm 'Naturally'. No wonder why this man is desperately trying to improve his fuel economy...

I will lay it out simply for the laymen who are so quick to judge me as an idiot essence:
Cop it sweet and pay the fine, they (the police) don't care about you they are just doing their job, they are happy to snigger at you and watch you die especially if you eat rice (for example Mr Gong Ling Tang you should watch the clip is actually quite funny).

Saying you can measure precisely 100 mm give or take a micron doesn't really matter. That's like me saying I can measure my speed give take 0.001 km/ph therefore I shouldn't get a speeding fine. If their radar gun is more 'accurate' and 'precise' than your speedometer say +/-10%; or in your case a block of 'wood' then the outcome is you still get a fine. But please do cop it sweet and don't tell us about it.

Given that a block of wood would expand and contract given atmospheric moisture, and its cellular structure is prone to deformity, I'm not sure how accurate your tool of measurement would be. May I suggest you use 'laser based distance meter', I would get one but I measure my things in microns and nanometres not millimetres but that's just the way it is if your Asian.

Y.J.

[NitroDann]

for example Mr Gong Ling Tang you should watch the clip

Far out, that was pretty brutal..

He is a weak and tired old asian man in a dandenong station cell harmless and clearly very sick. Then police leave him with him complaining of abdominal pain for 4.5 hours, he makes a huge mess of the cell with I guess vomit and faeces he is squirming in the foetal position the whole time, later he is dragged out into the rain, and he dies in a puddle just outside the station.

MT.net has a whole thread full of videos of police abusing people unjustly.

Video in link.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/coron ... 2xzzz.html

Dann

[wun911]

Ohh I forgot to mention, possibly you measured your block of wood using Viner callipers, this is an excellent measuring device much more accurate than a school ruler, the digital ones when calibrated (very easy to do) are usually very accurate devices +-0.001mm. However keep in mind most of the digital callipers are made with a metal body, and metals do undergo thermal expansion.

"If you measured your wood in the morning when its cool you may have misleading results, I know, I have made this mistake personally"

For the same reason you may want to get to your test early in the morning and let the car cool down, that way your exhaust pipes, and exhaust hangers will contract a little and this may swing the results in your favour.

Good luck with your test tomorrow, whatever the outcome pay up and don't tell us about it, just be grateful you were not racially vilified and didn't pay for it with your life.

Y.J.

[M1474]

Just pay the fine mate. If you have no evidence that it was legal height at the time, and it's your word against his... it will not go in favour of yourself in court.

I work at civic compliance, i've seen and heard this happen many times before.

So because it happens all the time makes it OK?

If you believe they misread the height of your vehicle due to an inaccurate measuring tool (and I would include the ground as part of the tool) go and take photos with a straightedge showing the carpark is not level and take it to court. It's your word against his but you have two facts, the ground is not flat and it does not comply with section 10 of the National Measurements act of 1960. Take the paperwork of your car passing the inspection as supporting evidence that your car was legal all along.

In 1995, a Western Australian Fisheries prosecution concerning under size lobsters failed because the Magistrate Ruled that the evidence that the lobsters were under size, relying on the use of a Sheridan gauge, was inadmissible because it could not be shown that the measurements were taken in accordance with the National Measurement Act 1960. Fisheries appealed and on 4th April 1996, Mr Justice Owen of the WA Supreme Court disallowed the appeal with the concluding remarks: ”In my opinion section 10 of the Nation Measurement Act must be complied with when measurements are being taken for any legal purpose. The language of the section is in clear and imperative terms. The evidence was, in my opinion, properly excluded and I can discern no error in the Magistrate’s decision to dismiss the complaint.”

If a Sheridan guage isn't a legal measuring device a 115mm wheel and a random patch of tarmac isn't.

If you lose its an extra $120 court cost and a day of your life.

Or go pay the fine.

Either waste our time bitching on a forum that your <100mm car got defected or waste their time with supporting evidence that your >100mm got defected in court.

Anyway, thanks for helping me procrastinate while I avoid trying to study.

[Mr Morlock]

M1474 - the point that Sal makes is based on his observation and the reality of the way the system works- the Police apply the law and mostly it will be right- sometimes not but thats it. Your suggestion of going to the car park with measuring equipment is simply full of holes and no on in the legal system is going to be interested in Perry Mason taking up time . My guess is that the car was too low and at best marginal. The best choice was to have left it alone or made the mod with an adequate tolerance.

[NitroDann]

M1474..

You talk a LOT like some guys I chat with online who eventually admit to being students with no real, local court experience.

Does that apply here?

In reality, when you try to come out with precedence the magistrate can and will just say, "I don't need to hear any of that, It's been a long day and I don't care".

When you show your photos he can and will say, "I don't see what this proves", or "How do I know this is the right lot", or he will ask the police if that is the ground, they will deny it, and again you have achieved nothing.

If you deny this you are either a student, or lying. If you are a student and don't believe me, you may end up like a friend of mine who quit and went back to study Socioeconomics after getting disheartened by how horrible and corrupt the system really is.

I said it before and I'll say it again, about 50% of Morlocks posts are the most astute straight to the point posts in a thread, and his posts about the justice system being the core issue, and the magistrate just not caring for evidence which supports you because he finds your non gang rape etc case boring and a waste of his time are completely 110% spot on.

Dann

[M1474]

I've been to court plenty - and lost all but once, but I have my day.
I am an engineering student, I don't see what the relevance is.

[hks_kansei]

I am an engineering student, I don't see what the relevance is.

I think Dann's point may have been that a lot of the posts sounded like a first year Law Student.

I think that's what was inferred with the comments re: Student and court experience.

[project.r.racing]

Most of us have little experience with law, but we all are experts.

[22Silver]

I took the spare tyre out of the boot to save weight and took it in.
Passed. Car was legal height and the cops gave me a $400 fine for driving a vehicle which does not comply with the rules of registration, which is actually not the case.
Now I have to pay a $400 fine for nothing.

[Mr Morlock]

the world is stacked against you - all this paying fines for nothing - the rules of registration that's an interesting one- I do not think I will ask.

[Rocky]

Are the Queensland Police obsessed with all this checking and measuring stuff?
They were in 1972 when I used to do laps but I thought it was a thing of the past.
(all my cars were fairly standard so they were seriously out of luck)

If they are still into it I wish they would defect the Harley that lives in my street and sounds like a Roadtrain without a muffler.

[Apu]

Not sure if I heard the news correctly this morning but QLD police might be protected from law suits?

[NitroDann]

We have already discussed that.

Dann