ND Engine Range

speed freak · Postby **speed freak** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:34 pm

I think if I can fry a corolla with my stock engined NB I think an NC or even the new ND will have no issue there. I know what you mean though, I really get the whole 1.5l engine for the overseas markets since they are very strict with their emissions etc but Im hopeful that we will have the 2l. (Im hopeful and certain because I really dont want the 1.5 either haha plus it would be going backwards for Mazda) I mean the skyactiv range even for the Mazda 3 SP25 produce great power figures for a naturally aspirated car while returning great fuel consumption figures so why would they stick a small 1.5 in the new model when they already have a great 2l or even a 2.5 out of the SP25 that have good power and great fuel economy.

I know the times have changed and I know how addictive POWAAAAH is but, I really dont see why everyone (car manufacturers included) are so hung up on lots of power, straight line speed isnt everything. Plus I bet even if it has a decent 2l hell even if it came out with a turbo people would still say its not powerful enough or its too slow etc. I like the saying from the Mazda engineer's, "if you cant win a race with 90 horsepower, 900 horsepower wont help you" or something like that.

BTW before anyone attacks me about anything I said Im not having a go at anyone on here at all :lol:

I really just wish Mazda would release the god damn details already, Im not patient when it comes to things like this. TELL US ALREADDYYYYYYY! :lol:

rjastra2 · Postby **rjastra2** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:41 am

speed freak wrote:I
I know the times have changed and I know how addictive POWAAAAH is but, I really dont see why everyone (car manufacturers included) are so hung up on lots of power, straight line speed isnt everything. Plus I bet even if it has a decent 2l hell even if it came out with a turbo people would still say its not powerful enough or its too slow etc. I like the saying from the Mazda engineer's, "if you cant win a race with 90 horsepower, 900 horsepower wont help you" or something like that.

LOL.. the biggest cop out ever by Mazda... its not the cars fault (lack of power) it's you

It would explain why they shove a 2.5L engine in a Corolla size car ;)

Zoom Zoom suggests an excess of power... not a lack of it.

taminga16 · Postby **taminga16** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:09 am

rjastra,
I never viewed the Zoom Zoom campaign as a reference to power, It was always the magic of motion.

Zoom-Zoom is what children say when they make something move. This pure emotion of motion that so many of us experience as children.

Greg.

project.r.racing · Postby **project.r.racing** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:02 am

Did you just copy and paste a Mazda advert there Greg? :lol:

I understand what rjasta is thinking.

My take - If someone is an enthuiest, then you probably never really lost that feeling. If you are a middle aged man trying to rekindle your youth, or middle aged woman trying to avoid aging, then their marketing campaign is prefect.

And if you are the latter ones, then you are probably most likely to afford a 40-50K car. Mazda know what market they are aiming at. And whom can afford their cars.

taminga16 · Postby **taminga16** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:24 pm

p.r.r,
I have it written on a corner of the blotter on my desk and cannot recall were it is from but you are correct, it sounds very Mazda.
Greg.

gslender · Postby **gslender** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:53 pm

Fact is, nobody is going to say, "gee, I like the new sports car MX5 - the way it looks, how light it is on the road, the handling.... But I just feels too powerful. I would buy it if they put a smaller less powerful engine in it so I can save a few cents on fuel economy"

That will never, ever happen. But the reverse will and does.

So why the hell would they even try, if they can build it with a 2.0L, choose to launch with a less powerful engine ??

You can make all the "it doesn't need it cause under powered cars can go round corners just a as quick if you drive it perfectly" - few give a toss about that.

More people go in, like the look, the style and if the "sports car" feels like a sports car then they'll be happy. If it feels under powered then they'll possibly buy something that feels better if they can. Big gamble to just assume soft top is all that matters.

I recently bought a 2.0L turbo over a 1.8 turbo because the other Euro marque just felt a little sluggish and it felt like you were flogging it. That extra 200cc (plus better gearbox I'd bet) was an overall better package when trying both. Both were marketed as sports versions with suspension and options to attract the sporty buyer. The smaller engine has a better brand and more "features" but it was let down because it felt like they were relying on me being blind to how it drove. On paper in a brochure it could have been better, but it wasn't.

Don't be fooled into thinking it is impossible for Mazda to make a mistake and ƒü¢k this up. It wouldn't be the first time.

speed freak · Postby **speed freak** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:32 pm

Yea well what ever Mazda do and however the ND is released in various countries, it still wont be good enough or fast enough for some people. If thats the case for them well then they dont buy it, but Id say for most (like the owners of NA, NB and NC's) the stock power level will be sufficient. Plus if it came out with a 2l turbo (for example) then it would cost more to build, so it would cost more to buy, then people would have a cry about that. Plus Id wait to hear from MAZDA to properly unveil all the juicy details instead of believing what a online page says.

manga_blue · Postby **manga_blue** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:45 pm

I can see a situation where all the Oz motoring press say "nice car, looks fantastic, great handling, etc, etc but it's gutless compared to every other car with any claim to sports focus in Australia - wait until they release the 2l motor before buying."

JBT · Postby **JBT** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:51 pm

NA6 at a nominal 940kg and 85kW = 11.1kb/kW
NB8B at a nominal 1065kg and 113kW = 9.42kg/kW
NC at a nominal 1160 and 125kW = 9.28kg/kW
ND (1500) at a nominal 1020kg and 96kW = 10.62kg/kW

Now, if the ND throttle response is programmed to be sharp, the gearing is right and the suspension is well tuned, it will feel (and actually will) accelerate more rapidly and handle better than the NA6 that so many on here think is just the epitome of MX5ness, so that should attract enthusiasts. If the car is also physically small, cute, economical, with all the convenience stuff and low service costs, it will attract all sorts of new buyers (including cashed up 20s/30s girls and boys).

My care factor? Zero. I cannot justify a new MX-5 or a new anything...even if it had twin turbos and 250kW ATW...and was under $40K. I wonder how many current MX-5 enthusiasts are in that category :?:

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:59 pm

As long as Mazda don't make the same two crucial mistakes the ref just did in Arg v Aus.

Craig · Postby **Craig** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:21 pm

JBT wrote:My care factor? Zero. I cannot justify a new MX-5 or a new anything...even if it had twin turbos and 250kW ATW...and was under $40K. I wonder how many current MX-5 enthusiasts are in that category

taminga16 · Postby **taminga16** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:38 pm

My NC is the 3rd MX-5 to have graced my garage, an NB, NB8B (VVT 6 speed) and now the NC, If I wanted power I would have purchased something else.
It's not as if we are stuck for choice.
Greg.
P.S. From all that I have read, no one has any real idea what engines will be available in the new (Not ND) MX-5, but I cannot help but feel that Australia will not get a choice, Mazda's market here is just not big enough to carry multiple model variants.

meanmx · Postby **meanmx** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:39 pm

As someone who would potentially buy a new mx5 all I can say is that it better have the power or I won't buy it. You can always use less power if you don't need it but you can't use more power if it's not there.