ND Engine Range

project.r.racing · Postby **project.r.racing** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:56 pm

Yes indeed. Toyota know how to get people in and hooked. Mazda have no idea.

Lokiel · Postby **Lokiel** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:21 pm

Hot Rodders wrote:Just wish Mazda would stop the Bull Dust and camoflauge, and just release the details!

- nobody's officially allowed to discuss the engine from what I've read so I'm guessing whatever we get is going to be a ripper and leave the 86 in the dust.

Wishful thinking?

I'm actually expecting at LEAST 135rwkw - the SE was fun at that level and Mazda would have sold about 10x more NBs if they came that way from the factory.

project.r.racing · Postby **project.r.racing** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:24 pm

http://www.dysonracing.com/company/news ... ws_id=1183

taminga16 · Postby **taminga16** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:48 pm

I am well over the conjecture and speculation and as such will wait until I can touch one (a new Mazda MX-5).
Greg.

cosmo · Postby **cosmo** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:36 pm

I'd like the US 4.1 diff for the Aus NDs...great pick up.

Nevyn72 · Postby **Nevyn72** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:15 am

A little more information here.... :wink:

http://www.cnet.com/news/2016-mazda-mia ... tart-tech/

I think this is probably fairly important for our market.

The automaker tells us that the next MX-5 will be equipped with a 1.5-liter Skyactiv-G, four-cylinder gasoline engine in many global markets, but that all 2016 Miatas sold in the U.S. will be powered by a larger 2.0L Skyactiv-G. Both of these mills will feature gasoline direct injection, high compression, and specific tuning for the new MX-5.

I interpret this to mean that we will probably see both the 1.5 and 2.0 SAG engines available in the Australian market.
Australian models of various cars tend to get the same engine capacity as those released in the US with the smaller engines being more common in Euro, Asian and less developed markets. We'll probably also see the smaller engined version as a more basic, entry level option with less features to hit a specific price point.

The final line of the quoted text also indicates a specific tune of the engines for the MX5, which combined with the higher rev limit shown in the cars displayed a month ago allows us to make some sort of educated guess at power outputs.....

The various US forums have done some modelling and based on the Euro spec 2.0 SAG which runs on premium but with a higher Rev limit (~7-7.5K) you will have a peak horsepower of ~170-180 which is higher than the outgoing NC and will also have a higher torque level too of around +10 ft/lb. This combined with a lower overall weight (yet to be confirmed), lower centre of gravity, and a shorter but wider wheel track, makes the ND a very exciting prospect if you're in a position to consider a new car. :mrgreen:

I will still withhold judgment on the styling until I see one in the flesh but I suspect this is one of those cars that looks better in person than in images......

rascal · Postby **rascal** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:29 pm

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2014/co ... mx-5-46499

Snore.... how to kill the excitement around the eagerly awaited new mx5. Offer it with a crap engine in it... Pah.. Bye, bye sales..

JBT · Postby **JBT** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:53 pm

As we've reported, however, the MX-5's 1.5 is expected to offer up to 96kW, which is still a 22kW reduction on the outgoing MX-5's 118kW/188Nm 2.0-litre engine. But given our sources say the new soft-top's kerb weight will fall to just 1020kg, the 19 per cent weight reduction over the outgoing NC-series MX-5 Roadster Coupe manual (1167kg) should more than compensate for the 13 per cent lower power output.

Ummmm... from those figures, that's a 13% weight reduction and a 19% power reduction.

rascal · Postby **rascal** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:05 pm

JBT wrote:
As we've reported, however, the MX-5's 1.5 is expected to offer up to 96kW, which is still a 22kW reduction on the outgoing MX-5's 118kW/188Nm 2.0-litre engine. But given our sources say the new soft-top's kerb weight will fall to just 1020kg, the 19 per cent weight reduction over the outgoing NC-series MX-5 Roadster Coupe manual (1167kg) should more than compensate for the 13 per cent lower power output.

Ummmm... from those figures, that's a 13% weight reduction and a 19% power reduction.

Which will translate into >19% reduction in sales it would otherwise have enjoyed if they put a decent engine in it.

Now no point Mazda looking toward the ND to halt the sales slide the MX5 has been suffering. Looks like the ND will be the end of the line..

gslender · Postby **gslender** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:18 pm

rascal wrote:Which will translate into >19% reduction in sales it would otherwise have enjoyed if they put a decent engine in it.

Agree!!

Can't understand how putting in a 2.0L vs 1.5L is really worth the hassle when they'd sell more if they could and it probably doesn't cost that much more to do so.

G

Vat · Postby **Vat** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:57 pm

JBT wrote:Ummmm... from those figures, that's a 13% weight reduction and a 19% power reduction.

Well, yeah - why would you make the base, lower margin model more attractive than the next model up? It's about total margin, not volume.

JBT · Postby **JBT** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:36 pm

I was disputing their quoted figures - they had it all the other way around and indicated that it should go better than the current car....

cosmo · Postby **cosmo** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:14 pm

It needs to compete with the hot hatches. 130 kws & 200 NM on a car weighing 1050kg's....tight 5 gear ratio's and a long 6th for cruising. It has to hit 100 km's in 6.5 seconds. Fuel consumption is important, but not a deal breaker .

rjastra2 · Postby **rjastra2** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:33 pm

cosmo wrote:It needs to compete with the hot hatches. 130 kws & 200 NM on a car weighing 1050kg's....tight 5 gear ratio's and a long 6th for cruising. It has to hit 100 km's in 6.5 seconds. Fuel consumption is important, but not a deal breaker .

Fuel consumption is a deal breaker in Europe... C02 emissions determine your rego costs each year. There is also total fleet consumption figures that need to be met year on year. Therefore a 1.5L model is perfect for Europe and China.
China taxes cars differently under 1.6L. That's the reason Ford moved from 1.6L engines in the Fiesta to 1.5L.. and why the 1.6L ecoboost was downsized to 1.5L (except the Fiesta st). So a 1.5L MX5 is essential for certain markets. Just like the lower powered 1.8L NC is now.

In the UK the most economical NC has a year road tax of UKP290 (the 10 sec 0-100kmh 1,8L). A 2L model will set you back UKP345 a year.
Compare that to a 1.5L skyactiv Mazda 3. It's consumption is so much lower the owner pays no road tax a year.
A 1.5L MX5 that gets into the no road tax tax bands is essential in the UK etc.

Garry · Postby **Garry** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:49 pm

But not for the US or Aus market. I was getting a little bit interested in the ND until I heard about the woosey engines. Unless Mazda can get an ND to do the 0-100 sprint in <7sec like a lot of mid priced modern hot hatches I'll be keeping my SP for a bit longer. My days of getting blown away by auto Corollas are long gone.