How many people r going to buy the new model ND

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:49 pm

That wouldn't happen.

Guran · Postby **Guran** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:08 pm

miata_adam wrote:In July, the MX5 wasn't in the top 3.

37 MX-5s sold in July 2015, and only 10 MX-5s sold in the first six months YTD.
Source: Motor, Oct 2015, page 124

There have now been more Australian sales of the Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ pair than 25 years worth of Mazda MX-5 sales. The tipping point came in March 2015 when 86/BRZ passed 17,000 net sales. As of Sep 2015, it stands at 17,278 MX-5 vs ~18,800 86/BRZ (I don't have accurate figures for BRZ sales 2012).

rjastra2 · Postby **rjastra2** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:38 am

davekmoore wrote:Never really understood the need for a Veloster. Surely, if you had to have a Hyundai, you'd have an i30 for less money, with more power and all the doors?

Veloster Turbo has 150kw 1.6 turbo. Bit more than an i30

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:21 am

Info correct for Veloster Turbo. Two out of the three models have non-turbo with less power than i30. Same power as Accent SR used to be. Similar power to 1.5 MX5.

miata_adam · Postby **miata_adam** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:21 pm

Guran wrote:
miata_adam wrote:In July, the MX5 wasn't in the top 3.

37 MX-5s sold in July 2015, and only 10 MX-5s sold in the first six months YTD.
Source: Motor, Oct 2015, page 124

As of Sep 2015, it stands at 17,278 MX-5 vs ~18,800 86/BRZ (I don't have accurate figures for BRZ sales 2012).

Thanks Guran for the numbers! That's pretty impressive sales for the 86.

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm

Ye gods! That means one person sold 30% of the MX5s sold in the first half of the year out of over 100 dealers.

Vat · Postby **Vat** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:52 pm

davekmoore wrote:Info correct for Veloster Turbo. Two out of the three models have non-turbo with less power than i30. Same power as Accent SR used to be. Similar power to 1.5 MX5.

Reading around, the sales split is around 50/50 turbo vs non-turbo. Be pretty surprised if there were a lot of cross shoppers, though, it's more of a warm hatch type thing, more in the SP25 space.

MLR · Postby **MLR** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:33 pm

Marco_NB8A wrote:
davekmoore wrote:And check out this comparison between 1.5 ND and 2.0 Subota.

http://www.motoring.com.au/reviews/2015 ... ison-54199

Even so, I'd still buy the 86. I couldn't justify spending new-car money on an ND when its real world use is pretty limited (being a two seater with a tiny boot etc). With the 86, the back seat (small as it is) would sway my purchasing decision.

I'd happily own an ND, but not until second hand ones were cheap.

I went shopping for a new car a while ago and found that the back seat of the 86 is useless, unless you know small people without necks or legs.

As for real world, you don't buy a small sports car and worry about passengers, that's NOT what they're for, if you need to take more than 2 people and want some performance buy a different car, WRX, EVO or the like, just remember that if you do buy a 86 to make some new friends that are small and have no neck or legs.

Me, I'm waiting for the 2.0 GT.

Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:30 pm

- So why is the 86/BRZ selling so well ? Partly because it retains a sporting image and feel and it offers a reasonable level of accommodation for 2 people plus it has a tin roof. The ND no longer has an option for a hard roof and it will cost them sales. The ND has gone backwards compared to its predecessors. Try a holiday in an ND with luggage and gear or a tent and its going to be a challenge. Cabin storage is very poor. The 86 rear seat is ideal for overflow gear. Still I agree about the hot hatches WRX Focus etc - natural choices for up to 4 adults. .

ND-MX5GT2.0 · Postby **ND-MX5GT2.0** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:27 pm

Mr Morlock wrote:- So why is the 86/BRZ selling so well ? Partly because it retains a sporting image and feel and it offers a reasonable level of accommodation for 2 people plus it has a tin roof. The ND no longer has an option for a hard roof and it will cost them sales. The ND has gone backwards compared to its predecessors. Try a holiday in an ND with luggage and gear or a tent and its going to be a challenge. Cabin storage is very poor. The 86 rear seat is ideal for overflow gear. Still I agree about the hot hatches WRX Focus etc - natural choices for up to 4 adults. .

The ND is still a genuine sports roadster, it's a back to basics sports open top vehicle. It doesn't need to have a glove box or the space needed for a tent or a massive hard luggage case. That's not why you buy an MX5.

It's for the drive & the smile that it'll put on your face as you go around throes twisty mountain roads! The hard roof is going to be coming either the ND eventually....(Apparently)

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Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:21 pm

.... 86/BRZ- the sales and the enthusiast feedback have all been very positive and the owners I have spoken to are very happy with them. If Toyota and Subaru cannot produce a quality vehicle then there is little hope for the car industry. Its all totally daft to say its not a 2+2, You could mount the same argument against any number of modern smaller coupes including classics like the Alfa 105 GTV- sure they are not made for basketball players but at a pinch for smaller people and children its an option and importantly its space that you can use and access without getting out of the car.

As for the ND its not just a back to basics its back to before NA in a number of ways. I reckon that there are plenty on this forum that buy an MX5 because of its feel and fun but its obvious that its brilliance was not invented with an ND- it was amply in evidence with all its predecessors. Having a roadster by choice is definitely what some people want and its something I have enjoyed but its a small market and cars must sell to maintain longevity.

I think Mazda have done some strange things even talking about a rebirth of the rotary which must surely have cost them a bomb. If the ND falters can Mazda really engineer a folding top or offer an old fashioned bolt on bolt off and what then happens to the weight.Do we really think a bolt on top would be acceptable today? Maybe the whole topic of weight has been overstated resulting in an undercooked model.

pcmx5 · Postby **pcmx5** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:47 pm

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The ND is still a genuine sports roadster, it's a back to basics sports open top vehicle. It doesn't need to have a glove box or the space needed for a tent or a massive hard luggage case. That's not why you buy an MX5.

It's for the drive & the smile that it'll put on your face as you go around throes twisty mountain roads! The hard roof is going to be coming either the ND eventually....(Apparently)

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I agree that that is what the ND is(gearing and ride height excepted) but why couldn't it be that AND have a bit more luggage space .Don't see that those thing have to be mutually exclusive.

I was keen on one but decided to keep my NA and have bought a Clio RS200 for the fun and practacality it gives.From a marketing point of view if the ND could satisfy some of these needs it would appeal to a greater audience,and I think the sales of the 86 are conclusive evidence of that.

Peter.

rjastra2 · Postby **rjastra2** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:24 pm

86 selling well? Its certainly not living up to sales expectations on the world market. Only Australia and Japan has it sold to expectations. And most of the Australian success if the low price they sell it at.

Toyotas Sub-86 car

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/t ... e-brother/

project.r.racing · Postby **project.r.racing** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:05 pm

Did Toyota just buy the chassis plans off Suzuki and just re panel the Cappuccino?

Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:13 pm

I already said " I reckon that there are plenty on this forum ( maybe all) that buy an MX5 because of its feel and fun but its obvious that its brilliance was not invented with an ND- it was amply in evidence with all its predecessors". Back to basics- does the market really want back to basics? Do we want to run around in Healey Sprites- they were light they were basic. So what is basic- lighter and smaller? The guys buying the ND will still want all the gizmos- its not really a pov pack. You buy a car for a number of things and most buyers weigh up what they get.

MX5s were always fun that was never in doubt but a car is not just about fun. If that were the case maybe we would all be driving Caterham style cars- high on fun but low not just to the ground on many other features.

You can also bet on one thing the 86 and BRZ has done very well worldwide and certainly totally blitzed MX5 in Au- that was clearly pointed out by Guran. Can the ND really make a difference?