Roadster Driving Feel

[speed freak]

no offense but none of the cars mentioned are really relevant? the swift sport is low 20s new and its a warm hatch at best. Ive owned an ek4, dc2r and r53 mini s and recently borrowed a 130i for a week. I think the mx5 is a great intro to rwd cars - fun and cheap to run. But it really us only a 7/10ths car at best in stock form... and so the tuning bug has bitten.

Ive dríven my brothers dc2r hard on some of our local twisty runs a few times and wholly &#%& RWD is irrelevant when a fwd far can be that dam good, absolutely perfectly balanced car.

Everything is great with my nb, except I find the engine a bit souless.

I find the same with my na handles great except the need for an lsd but i find the engine just lets the car down a bit and this isn't a turbo cures all situation the power is enough (barley) its just the delivery of it, slow revs and low redline. Drop a 4age silver/blacktop in there and the car would be perfect. Just my 2cents thou..

Oh and the car is very thirsty for a 1.8l sub 1 tonne car especially for a car with not much performance

Very thirsty for a 1.8? Maybe there is an issue with yours. I and pretty much every other mx5 would get atleast 500 km to a tank. My nb8b has a 48l tank but Iv only ever put in a max of 39l so plenty left and thats 500 km around town with the odd boot here and there. Id say that is quit good since its a smallish tank.

I guess for some people it takes a lot for a car to really excite them. For most people an mx5 in stock form is perfect and more then satisfying, nothing wrong with the engines. Me, I can have fun in pretty much anything that I drive, some cars are better and more fun but if Im driving and on the road to somewhere Im happy.

[speed]

Another point to add is apples for apples.
Obviously all of us here are after something to make us smile when driving it around twisties etc.
I wanna see you still smile when trying to get that nice new cabinet you bought home...
For some things, you just need bigger.
For the rest of the time, GO FOR A DRIVE IN A 5 and SMILE FOR A WHILE.

And that's why a gti golf is far better than a swift. Very surprising what you can fit in the back especially compared to a swift that pretty much has no boot. Also believe they handle better and are turboed!!!
I plan to always own a vag and mazda's.


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[speed freak]

Another point to add is apples for apples.
Obviously all of us here are after something to make us smile when driving it around twisties etc.
I wanna see you still smile when trying to get that nice new cabinet you bought home...
For some things, you just need bigger.
For the rest of the time, GO FOR A DRIVE IN A 5 and SMILE FOR A WHILE.

And that's why a gti golf is far better than a swift. Very surprising what you can fit in the back especially compared to a swift that pretty much has no boot. Also believe they handle better and are turboed!!!
I plan to always own a vag and mazda's.


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But Suzuki is much more reliable and cost much less in repairs and maintenance.

[speed]

Another point to add is apples for apples.
Obviously all of us here are after something to make us smile when driving it around twisties etc.
I wanna see you still smile when trying to get that nice new cabinet you bought home...
For some things, you just need bigger.
For the rest of the time, GO FOR A DRIVE IN A 5 and SMILE FOR A WHILE.

And that's why a gti golf is far better than a swift. Very surprising what you can fit in the back especially compared to a swift that pretty much has no boot. Also believe they handle better and are turboed!!!
I plan to always own a vag and mazda's.


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But Suzuki is much more reliable and cost much less in repairs and maintenance.

Pffft had ours for 3 years and never had to do anything except normal servicing.
Re parts, Guess you've never heard of ecs
tuning.
Also ever noticed how the jap cars get ripples in the bodywork years down the track. Now look at an equivalent year Vw and I bet she's nice and straight.

Vw is much much safer too and has more stuff. I know what I'd prefer my wife to drive and it ain't no swift.



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[speed freak]

Ripples in the bodywork... yea after people crash them... Just wait for another year or 2 or after the warranty has run out, the VW will give you problems one day. Jap cars all the way for me.

[speed]

Warranty - lol. The car is 12 years old!
4 of our 7 cars are jap cars and 3 of those are mazda's!
1 Australian, 1 English and 1 German. I'd pretty much give anything a go and as a result do rate Audi and VW
highly.
but enough of that. Each to their own


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[dmad_dood]

no offense but none of the cars mentioned are really relevant? the swift sport is low 20s new and its a warm hatch at best. Ive owned an ek4, dc2r and r53 mini s and recently borrowed a 130i for a week. I think the mx5 is a great intro to rwd cars - fun and cheap to run. But it really us only a 7/10ths car at best in stock form... and so the tuning bug has bitten.

Ive dríven my brothers dc2r hard on some of our local twisty runs a few times and wholly &#%& RWD is irrelevant when a fwd far can be that dam good, absolutely perfectly balanced car.

Everything is great with my nb, except I find the engine a bit souless.

I find the same with my na handles great except the need for an lsd but i find the engine just lets the car down a bit and this isn't a turbo cures all situation the power is enough (barley) its just the delivery of it, slow revs and low redline. Drop a 4age silver/blacktop in there and the car would be perfect. Just my 2cents thou..

Oh and the car is very thirsty for a 1.8l sub 1 tonne car especially for a car with not much performance

Very thirsty for a 1.8? Maybe there is an issue with yours. I and pretty much every other mx5 would get atleast 500 km to a tank. My nb8b has a 48l tank but Iv only ever put in a max of 39l so plenty left and thats 500 km around town with the odd boot here and there. Id say that is quit good since its a smallish tank.

I guess for some people it takes a lot for a car to really excite them. For most people an mx5 in stock form is perfect and more then satisfying, nothing wrong with the engines. Me, I can have fun in pretty much anything that I drive, some cars are better and more fun but if Im driving and on the road to somewhere Im happy.

If i was getting 500km to 39l i would eat my own hair. Very sedate driving to and from work 25km each way without traffic i will see on average about 420km to 40L or around 9-9.5/100.

Some cars are just boring thou no matter what you do. I used to have a suzuki apv as a work car and wow did i love that car!! 1.5L 4 banger, rwd box on wheels with skinny cheese cutters and a very closely geared 5spd. Surprisingly enough it had plenty balls around town (even with literally 500kg of cable in the back plus all my hilti drills and a site box full of other stuff), used stuff all fuel and i had heaps of fun in it, maybe even more then my 5. I remember coming home from work in the city one day and it was pouring rain and i came around a really long sharp corner and unsuspectedly the back broke away and i managed to hold it for a solid few seconds. I will never forgot the look on the guys face coming in the opposite direction - priceless!!! Jeeze i want that car back now..

[Vat]

The economy thing is interesting - I had a Mirage (pretty much the same weight) before the Jaffa (the proper late '90s thing, not the current 3 pot abomination) and I would flog that thing and average around 6.7l/100km, whereas with the Jaffa I average around 8.7l/100km without sparing the horses. Just did a very careful tank of keeping revs between 1500-2500, little throttle use, rolling down hills and so on for just under 7.5l/100km. All on Caltex 98.

For a car of just on 1000kg they're pretty thirsty - but if you were after sheer economy, you'd buy a Polo or Fiesta diesel.

[sailaholic]

Dmad I get 10-10.5 with itbs, cams, head work and not a whole lot of time spent below 3k rpm (because power there sucks). Gear changes are generally 4-5ish with regular 6k rpms because I like the sound.


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[dmad_dood]

Dmad I get 10-10.5 with itbs, cams, head work and not a whole lot of time spent below 3k rpm (because power there sucks). Gear changes are generally 4-5ish with regular 6k rpms because I like the sound.


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That makes sense thou itbs and headwork are all generally pretty thirsty. All i've done performance wise is a cat back with a high flow cat? I think the na's especially do run very rich out of the factory especially when cold. Honestly i never really go past 4k unless i'm driving in the twisty's which isn't so much lately thanks to my new motorbike, i will take it to 4k max really just because i love the sound of my exhaust when it hits 3.5k .

Im in the middle of an experiment right now becasue i usually labour in a higher gear with more load on flat roads so now i'm trying a lower gear/higher revs with less load.

Oh and perhaps my consumption is pretty average because a lot of my k's are with the top down??

[speed]

Agree re rich setup.
I could change my plugs today, go for a run and check them next day and they're completely black.
Don't get to drive her often but when I do. I rev her right out as much as possible. Since I have no power under 4k I usually have to rev harder.



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[speed freak]

no offense but none of the cars mentioned are really relevant? the swift sport is low 20s new and its a warm hatch at best. Ive owned an ek4, dc2r and r53 mini s and recently borrowed a 130i for a week. I think the mx5 is a great intro to rwd cars - fun and cheap to run. But it really us only a 7/10ths car at best in stock form... and so the tuning bug has bitten.

Ive dríven my brothers dc2r hard on some of our local twisty runs a few times and wholly &#%& RWD is irrelevant when a fwd far can be that dam good, absolutely perfectly balanced car.

Everything is great with my nb, except I find the engine a bit souless.

I find the same with my na handles great except the need for an lsd but i find the engine just lets the car down a bit and this isn't a turbo cures all situation the power is enough (barley) its just the delivery of it, slow revs and low redline. Drop a 4age silver/blacktop in there and the car would be perfect. Just my 2cents thou..

Oh and the car is very thirsty for a 1.8l sub 1 tonne car especially for a car with not much performance

Very thirsty for a 1.8? Maybe there is an issue with yours. I and pretty much every other mx5 would get atleast 500 km to a tank. My nb8b has a 48l tank but Iv only ever put in a max of 39l so plenty left and thats 500 km around town with the odd boot here and there. Id say that is quit good since its a smallish tank.

I guess for some people it takes a lot for a car to really excite them. For most people an mx5 in stock form is perfect and more then satisfying, nothing wrong with the engines. Me, I can have fun in pretty much anything that I drive, some cars are better and more fun but if Im driving and on the road to somewhere Im happy.

If i was getting 500km to 39l i would eat my own hair. Very sedate driving to and from work 25km each way without traffic i will see on average about 420km to 40L or around 9-9.5/100.

What do you want out of a tank then? 6, 7, 800 km? Good luck with that. Any car that gets dríven mostly around town will drink more fuel, take it on the highway and cruise for a full tank you will obviously see better results. They do run a tad rich but nothing wrong with the fuel economy.

[speed freak]

Warranty - lol. The car is 12 years old!
4 of our 7 cars are jap cars and 3 of those are mazda's!
1 Australian, 1 English and 1 German. I'd pretty much give anything a go and as a result do rate Audi and VW
highly.
but enough of that. Each to their own


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Well then, you must be the only person to have bought a European car and not have any trouble with it, congratulations.

I still maintain that Japanese cars are more reliable and cheaper on maintenance and repairs.

But as you said each to their own, everyone has different opinions and therefore likes different things.

[Okibi]

Holy nested quotes batman, can you guys please learn how to internet.

http://mx5cartalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=33476